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EOS 70D - the EOS 60D replacement

Rumours about the Canon EOS 70D DSLR

Aug 2010 - 60D announced

Waiting for the repalcement for the 60D

New Canon MF camera system

50D/60D/7D comparison

40D/50D Comparison

30D/40D Comparison

 

 

 

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2010

August

  • 26th After two years we get the 60D. A distinct break in the XXD family, so look to the 600D and 7D Mk2 for clues.
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    • 9-point cross type AF System
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    • In-camera RAW processing

2009 April

  • 12th At last, the 70D appears in someone's camera spec list [HDR]
  • The 70D gets 12 fps and up to 11 auto-bracket frames.
  • Looks good until you see the form at the bottom of the page where you can add details for updates.
  • Should soon be time for someone to rediscover the bar code site and send me details of the 80D or something...
  • Follow the 'Discussions' [DPR]
  • Last time I checked, not one person had scrolled down to the bottom of the page to see the data entry form :-)

2008 September 3rd

  • We've had a load of 60D/ 'future developments' info sent to us, which suggest that the 70D will be here in August 2010 and will probably be ~20MP
  • Info on the 60D page (now updated with lots more info just received)

August 30th Already we have the first thread on the 70D at DPR some time in late 2009

(predicted content ;-)

#1 Have you seen this?
#2 What do they know
#3 FAKE!
#4 Could you elaborate on xxx
#5 Jeez, cant you people just get out more
#6 You don't have to read it
#7 Those that really know can't say
#8 70D AF issues
#9 Is that all?
#10 I'm switching to Nikon/Sony
#11 It probably back / front focuses
#12 What still no built in pro AF
#13 Why not 1.3 crop all cameras should be 1.3 crop
#14 Why not full frame - Canon are ripping is off again
#15 Its going to be so noisy I'll have to keep my 10D
#16 The more MP are a waste, the lenses can't resolve that
#17 It's all lies from from crazy fan boy
#18 What, no built in IS:
#19 I'll have to be the first to own one
#20 Why would anyone want one

Here's our recent techy hints we had from one of our more detailed sources

"The 50D sensor and image processing are a major step forward in what has been a multi-year strategy for Canon to take sensor technology to the limits of physics, simultaneously achieving higher ISOs, lower noise and higher dynamic range.  Note Chuck Westall’s announcement that the 50D sensor has 1 to 1 and a half stops better noise than the 40D sensor despite the smaller pixels.  Several core strategies have been pursued simultaneously for this:

So what does this mean?

The 50D DIGIC IV sensor and image processing technology is felt to be Canon’s biggest jump in many years.

The same technology will allow a 21-25mp FF sensor to have 1 to 1.5 stops better noise performance than the 3 year old 12mp sensor in the 5D.

Canon are not going to watch market share be lost in the 1D range to Nikon and are actively planning to incorporate this technology in the 1 series as well, sooner than many might expect.

Canon have hit the limits on light gathering but believe there is a good 1 to 1.5 stops lower noise still to be achieved at the physical electrical level before they reach the limits of physics (background noise due to heat etc) and are working on the circuit design for this (native 12800 being one goal)

The other technologies in the image processing, pixel binning, dynamic range preservation space are seen as all offering room for significant further improvement in the image delivered to the photographer.  Canon have a vision where the imagine processing is so good that it is capable of transparently capturing the dynamic range of a scene and converting it into a JPEG in a way that for most consumers cuts out blown highlights and detail lost in shadow without further processing."

26th The 50D is released - table below updated. Next August for the 60D or was the 50D just moved ahead for competition reasons?

Well... there is a 60D thread at DPR already discussing this ;-)

21st The 40D to 50D update is compared to the 20D/30D update in a post from someone who claims to have used one [DPR] - first mention of a 60D we see :-)

2008 July 8th Is a 40D refresh being moved from the expected 18 month cycle (we'll see it at PMA in 2009) or will new sensor technology make it into the 50D for Photokina [potn]

Whilst I've been sent various info on the new sensor developments, the only line that was slated for potentially moving to annual updates was the bottom end of the DSLR range.

Meanwhile here's the recent history of similar models (subsequently updated)

Model
Announced
Effective pixels
Auto focus
Continuous (JPEG) LCD monitor
EOS D30 Apr 2000 3.1 mp 3 point 3.0 fps, 3 frames 1.8"
EOS D60 Feb 2002 6.3 mp 3 point 3.3 fps, 8 frames 1.8"
EOS 10D Feb 2003 6.3 mp 7 point 3.3 fps, 9 frames 1.8"
EOS 20D Aug 2004 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 fps, 23 frames 1.8"
EOS 30D Feb 2006 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 / 3.0 fps, 30 frames 2.5"
EOS 40D Aug 2007 10.1 mp 9 point 6.5 / 3.0 fps, 85 frames 3.0" (Live view)
EOS 50D Aug 2008 15.1 mp 9 point 6.3 / 3.0 fps, 60/90 frames 3.0" VGA
EOS 60D Aug 2010 18 mp 9 point 3" tilt/VGA
EOS 70D
EOS 80D

Our most recent info (originally on our 1Ds3 page) about Canon's plans over the next few years was sent in August (shortly before the 40D was announced)

  • Sensor technology - Canon have mentioned that full frame sensor chips need two stepper passes. Sony now has the technology to do this in one pass and are preparing their own sensors and selling to them Nikon.  However, Canon have a new 'one pass' technology too. What's more, it can do even larger than 35mm (36x24mm) in a single pass. 
  • Canon is very excited about a next generation CMOS sensors they are working on.  Two full frame versions have 40M and 50M pixels at the -same- noise level as the current 1D series. Low power supply voltages give cooler chips and lower noise even with smaller pixels. Different circuit fabrication techniques also promise to make close to 100% of the sensor area active pixels. This technology won't make any of the upcoming models, but is expected in 2009/10.
  • The competition - Canon were somewhat shocked by the success of the Nikon D80, D40 and D40X. Hence the 'improved' 40D and the improved 400D replacement in the works. Canon know what Nikon have coming (D300 and D3) and have planned the 40D, 1Ds III and 1D III as their answers.
  • However Nikon is moving to CMOS sensors to over the next couple of years.  Sony are moving CMOS to a near full frame (1.25 or so) and full (35mm) FF, so Canon is getting serious and starting to plan some aggressive upgrades.
  • Sony worries Canon somewhat, since with their manufacturing capabilities, they could move the whole price base down for SLRs. So far they haven’t and their lens prices and range are not a worry for Canon. The current Sony Alpha has been less than astounding in the market.
  • Moreover, Nikon have the camera credibility and certainly won’t stop with the D3 and D300. Their plans for the lower end (D40-D80 as well) are to replace them in much shorter timeframes than their previous 3-4 years.  Nikon have moved emphasis from the low end 'point and shoot' digital into R&D on the DLSRs. They've found this to be 3-4 times as profitable (note Nikon's record profits over last 12 months).  Nikon is more than happy with trouncing Canon for the last 12 months in Japan (not so world wide).  So the next 2-3 years will see a major DSLR feature 'war'.
  • IS Technology - This is being introduced in some of their consumer grade lenses. The technology has matured to the point that it can be added at only a small price premium. It gives product differentiation - a reaction to Sony and keeps them ahead of Nikon.
  • Digic IV - Digic III just won't cut it for the new high density sensors. Digic IV can deal with with the transfer rates for higher bit per pixel images. One Digic IV chip beats the two Digic III in the 1D3.
  • 16 bit RAW - Canon's target for their next generation of sensors is 16 bits per channel giving true HD quality.  They are also looking at processing formats to retain that extra definition.
  • ISO sensitivity - Canon see their next generation lower voltage CMOS as easily doing ISO6400, with a boost to 12800.

50D/60D/7D comparison

  Canon EOS 60D Canon EOS 7D Canon EOS 50D
Construction Polycarbonate resin with glass fibre on aluminum chassis Magnesium alloy body Magnesium alloy body
Sensor 22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor
RGB Colour Filter Array
Built-in fixed low-pass filter (with self-cleaning unit)
19 million total pixels
18 million effective pixels
3:2 aspect ratio
22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor
RGB Colour Filter Array
Built-in fixed low-pass filter (with self-cleaning unit)
19 million total pixels
18 million effective pixels
3:2 aspect ratio
22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor
RGB Colour Filter Array
Built-in fixed low-pass filter (with self-cleaning unit)
15.5 million total pixels
15.1 million effective pixels
3:2 aspect ratio
Processor DIGIC 4 Dual DIGIC 4 DIGIC 4
ISO range Auto ISO (100-3200)
ISO 100-6400 in 0.3 or 1.0 EV increments
H (12800) expansion
Adjustable Auto ISO limit
Auto ISO (100-3200)
ISO 100-6400 in 0.3 or 1.0 EV increments
H (12800) expansion
Auto ISO (100-1600)
ISO 100 - 3200
0.3 or 1.0 EV increments
H1 (6400) and H2 (12800) expansion
Movie resolution 1920 x 1080 (29.97, 25, 23.976 fps)
1280 x 720 (59.94, 50 fps)
640 x 480 (59.94, 50 fps)
1920 x 1080 (29.97, 25, 23.976 fps)
1280 x 720 (59.94, 50 fps)
640 x 480 (59.94, 50 fps)
N/A
AF sensor 9 cross-type AF points (f/2.8 at center)
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
19 cross-type AF points (f/2.8 at center)
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
9 cross-type AF points (f/2.8 at center)
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
Metering sensor TTL full aperture metering with 63 zone Dual Layer (iFCL)
Metering range: EV 1 - 20 EV
TTL full aperture metering with 63 zone Dual Layer SPC
Metering range: EV 1 - 20 EV
TTL 35 zone SPC
Metering range: EV 0.0 - 20 EV
Viewfinder Eye-level pentaprism
96% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.95x
Eyepoint: 22 mm
Interchangeable focusing screen Ef-A standard (2 other types optional)
Dioptric adjustment: -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
Eye-level pentaprism
100% frame coverage
Approx. 1.0x magnification
Eyepoint: 22 mm
Fixed screen (Transmissive LCD screen)
Dioptric adjustment: -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
Eye-level pentaprism
95% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.95x
Eyepoint: 22 mm
Interchangeable focusing screen Ef-A standard (2 other types optional)
Dioptric adjustment: -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
LCD panel 3.0 " TFT LCD
1040,000 dots (3:2)
100% coverage
160 ° viewing angle
Dual anti-reflection
Articulated
3.0 " TFT LCD
920,000 dots (4:3)
100% coverage
160 ° viewing angle
Coating : Anti-reflection and Solid Structure
3.0 " TFT LCD
920,000 dots (4:3)
100% coverage
160 ° viewing angle
Dual anti-reflection
Continuous shooting buffer Approx. 5.3 fps
Up to 58 JPEGs, 16 images (RAW)
Approx. 8 fps
Up to 126 JPEGs (with UDMA card), 15 images (RAW)
Approx. 6.3fps
Up to 90 frames (with UDMA card), 16 frames (RAW)
Memory format SD / SDHC / SDXC Compact Flash (I, II and UDMA) Compact Flash (I, II and UDMA)
Dimensions 145 x 106 x 79 mm
(5.7 x 4.2 x 3.1 in)
148 x 111 x 74 mm
(5.8 x 4.3 x 2.8 in)
146 x 108 x 74 mm
(5.7 x 4.2 x 2.9 in)
Weight (inc battery) 755 g (1.6 lb) 904 g (2.0 lb) 822 g (1.8 lb)

Brief review of 40D/50D specs for comparison

 
Canon EOS 50D
Canon EOS 40D
Sensor 15.0 million effective pixels 10.1 million effective pixels
Image sizes 4752 x 3168
3456 x 2304
2353 x 1568
3888 x 2592
2816 x 1880
1936 x 1288
RAW files CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW1 (7.1 MP)
sRAW2 (3.8 MP)
CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW (7.1 MP)
Image processor DIGIC 4 DIGIC III
Sensitivity ISO 100 to 3200, extendable to H1 (6400) and H2 (12800). ISO 100 to 1600, extendable to 3200.
Auto ISO ISO 100 to 1600 ISO 100 to 800
Noise reduction Four levels On/Off
Auto lighting optimizer Four levels On/Off
AF adjustment All lenses or up to 20 individual lenses
+/- 20 steps
No
Viewfinder info Now includes Auto Lighting Optimizer icon  
LCD monitor 3.0 " TFT LCD
920,000 dots
3.0 " TFT LCD
230,000 dots
Live view AF Quick mode (Phase detect)
Live view mode (Contrast detect)

Face detect (Contrast detect)
Phase detect

Peripheral illumination
correction

Profiles of 26 lenses includes
space provided for 14 extra profiles
 
User modes Auto
Creative Auto
Program AE (P)
Shutter priority AE (Tv)
Aperture priority AE (Av)
Manual (M)
Auto depth-of-field
Portrait
Landscape
Close-up
Sports
Night portrait
Flash off
Camera user settings 1
Camera user settings 2
Auto
Program AE (P)
Shutter priority AE (Tv)
Aperture priority AE (Av)
Manual (M)
Auto depth-of-field
Portrait
Landscape
Close-up
Sports
Night portrait
Flash off
Camera user settings 1
Camera user settings 2
Camera user settings 3
High-speed continuous 6.3 fps
Up to 60 JPEG Large/Fine images
Up to 90 JPEG Large/Fine images (UDMA)
6.5 fps
Up to 75 JPEG Large/Fine images
Menu UI Digic 4 interface Same as EOS-1D series
Connectors USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
Video out
Mini HDMI connector
N3 type wired remote control
PC Sync flash terminal
Communication terminal on base for WFT-E3/E3A
USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
Video out
N3 type wired remote control
PC Sync flash terminal
Communication terminal on base for WFT-E3/E3A
Menu languages 25 18
Custom functions 25 24
Weight No battery: 730 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 822 g (1.8 lb) (measured)
No battery: 740 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 836 g (1.8 lb) (measured)

Brief review of 30D/40D specs for comparison

 
Canon EOS 40D
Canon EOS 30D
Weatherproof Battery door and storage compartment No
Sensor 10.1 million effective pixels
5.7 µm pixel pitch
8.2 million effective pixels
6.4 µm pixel pitch
A/D converter 14-bit 12-bit
Image sizes 3888 x 2592
2816 x 1880
1936 x 1288
3504 x 2336
2544 x 1696
1728 x 1152
RAW files CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW (2.5 MP)
CR2 format, 12-bit
RAW full resolution
Image processor DIGIC III DIGIC II
Dust reduction High speed vibration of filter None
Auto focus 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
Points cross-type for F5.6 or faster lens
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
9-point TTL CMOS sensor
Metering range 0.0 to 20 EV 1.0 to 20 EV
Spot metering Approx. 3.8% at center Approx. 3.5% at center
Auto ISO ISO 400 to 800 / 100 to 800 depending on exposure mode ISO 100 to 400
White Balance 2500 - 10000 K in 100 K steps 2800 - 10000 K in 100 K steps
Viewfinder 95% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.95x
Eyepoint: 22 mm
95% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.90x
Eyepoint: 20 mm
Focusing screen Interchangable precision matte
Two other screens available
Fixed precision matte
Viewfinder info Now includes ISO sensitivity, B&W icon  
LCD monitor 3.0 " TFT LCD
230,000 pixels
2.5 " TFT LCD
230,000 pixels
LCD Live View Yes, including mirror-drop AF No
Main LCD settings display When changing settings such as AF mode or White Balance No
Tilt correction Yes No
Opening CF door Warning message shown Power down, loses images
Mirror lock-up Single or multiple exposures Single exposures
Mirror mechanism Motor up / down, quieter, faster Spring up / motor down
Playback modes Exposure line at top in single image view No exposure in single image view
User modes Three custom user modes on mode dial No user modes
High-speed continuous 6.5 fps
Up to 75 JPEG Large/Fine images
5.0 fps
Up to 30 JPEG Large/Fine images
Portrait grip WFT-E3/E3A, BP-E2N, BP-E2 BP-E2
Wireless connectivity WFT-E3/E3A Integrates as vertical hand grip WFT-E1/E1A
No grip
Menu UI Same as EOS-1D series Sames previous xxD series
Menu languages 18 15
Custom functions 24 19
AF-ON button Rear 'under thumb' None
Rear buttons Direct print, Menu, Play, Erase, Jump, Info, Picture Style Direct print, Menu, Info, Jump, Play, Erase
Top right buttons Lamp
Metering / WB
AF / Drive
ISO / Flash comp.
Lamp
AF / WB
Drive / ISO
Metering / Flash comp.
Dimensions 146 x 108 x 74 mm(5.7 x 4.2 x 2.9 in) 144 x 106 x 74 mm (5.6 x 4.2 x 2.9 in)
Weight No battery: 740 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 822 g (1.8 lb)
No battery: 706 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 785 g (1.7 lb

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