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The fabled EOS 3DThe long long long awaited DSLR4th Feb. 2008 - Camera seen in magazine (not)
Latest articles (not rumours... :-) on our site: >> Spyder3 Print V3.5 review The latest ICC printer profiling system from Datacolor (aka ColorVision) is reviewed. Featuring faster operation and a wide range of profile generation options, it can be used for building printer profiles for colour and (with additional measurements) Black and White printing. For more experienced users it offers multiple version profile building (from the same set of measurements) and profile editing. This page covers all our EOS 3D rumours since we started collecting them... The 3D has been regularly mentioned for many years - some of what was suggested became the 5D, but the 3D regularly gets listed - often as a general purpose 'I want a cheaper 1Dx camera wishlist'. 2008 March 4th At last, a photo of the 3D (or part of it) appears in a magazine. Fortunately someone photographed the page - read the full DPR thread for more info, but do note that it's part of the fake same pic we were sent in August 2006 (see below :-) ... the one with the 40mm f/1.2 lens February 7th Since reading the Chuck Westfall tea leaves seems to be in vogue at the moment, it's worth noting one of his comments from 2006 I was recently pointed to (thanks ;-) "Is Canon considering bringing Eye Controlled Focus back to any of the digital EOS bodies? Is there some technical limitation? I've not used ECF (my first Canon camera was the 1Ds) but it is often mentioned on various discussion forums. Whether this feature is one that Canon has continued to develop, we just don't know... Perhaps we'll see it in the fabled EOS 3D which I'm informed will be announced 'real soon now' ;-) ECF article at Canon.
The thread also includes several other people's predictions including the interesting...
Ah... the fabled 3D! This is at least better than the continuing rehash of the Swedish news article, which keeps appearing on assorted blogs, along with the '7D UPC code' :-) 15th Meanwhile in the US a Canon rep allegedly says [DPR]: "Stay home if you are looking for anything like a 5D follow on at PMA. We just introduced 2 cameras last year - it will not be until the Fall until we do anything with the 5D line."
2007 December 30th At last, another mention of the 3D :-) "The person said 2 DSLRs ($3500 and $2500) will be released next year. He added the later one is 5D successor. New model released in Jan. might be 3D. "
2007 December 29th According to 'Hisashi Owada' in an interview (translated from Japanese to Chinese to English, so it could really say almost anything ;-) "We will launch a strong product. Intermediate camera 'EOS 5D' there will be increased durability and the subsequent pixel models listed. At the same price, we will launch better products. " Make of that what you will, but improved weather sealing and 16MP look more likely, ...and coming in at the original 5D price? 2007 October 17th The Mythical 3DCanon still believe that a greater proportion of the market will move to be full frame as the cost of the sensors come down. They have on-again / off-again plans to split the 5D and have a lower and higher end full frame model. The higher end would be weather sealed, and have pro-level AF and exposure The lower end would have a flash and be like a 40D but with full frame This is being complicated by the emerging push to bring high end features into the mid range anyway (as per the Nikon D300. However so far, Canon is still seriously considering the split. 2007 September 15th There are lot's more discussions about the 3D appearing now, while we are waiting for the '5Dmk2'. Unfortunately there's not one that I've found, that doesn't look like a "what I'd want/like/demand in a smaller CHEAPER 1 series camera" post :-) For 5D price falls in Europe have a look at this DPR thread which has lots of 2007 August 23rd The D3 and D300 have certainly reignited the 5DMk2 discussions :-) I've even noticed people mentioning the fabled 3D again (it's been rumoured for years :-). It would be highly unlikely that Canon didn't know what Nikon (and Sony) were up to, and must have factored all of this into their calculations. 2007 June 11th Very quiet on the 5D2 front, although I saw my first 3D mention for a long while on DPR (it will replace the 5D next Feb) - not even a faked 3D pic to go with it ;-) 2007 March 14th Some 1D3 prices starting to appear on US sites (thanks for the info) $4999 at zipzoomfly and $4599 at fotoconnection - however supplies are, as expected, somewhat scarce. In a follow up to the other day's collection of older info that we missed:
2007 February 12th A 3D on its way? From FM "... there was an 'equipment open day' at the bird reserve which I go to regularly. I ended up speaking to a guy from a Canon Pro store in the UK. Eventually the conversation got to what is going to be released shortly. Apparently his store was given notice of a Canon 3D, with a built in grip, he described it as a mini 1D, they even got sent an image of it from Canon distribution arm." While we're collecting some older posts - there is this collection of info I missed (unfortunately with no sources or attribution) which has a fairly broad range of rumours, including a 4D (popular opinion has always been that Canon would avoid the number 4 for various reasons) 2007 January 29th The 3D rumour just keeps rolling on... Just when I was wondering where it had got to, a 3D rumour surfaces on DPR - not much at all really, but it's nice to know that this particular rumour,which has been growing in performance and doing the rounds for the last 4-5 years, is not dead "weatherproof and larger than the 5D but smaller than the 1D" :-) 2007 January 17th An interesting post at FM suggesting that there are quite a few cameras to be released this year. So as not to annoy the dealers too much (New everything folks - lots of hard to shift stock). There would be 2 at PMA and two later in the year -- but in what order?. Canon's 'dilemma' (quoted from the FM post) was:
The 5D replacements
2006 December 12th I'm told that as from today Canon Australia is offering a $750 rebate on the 1DsMk2 -- until Feb '07. Was seen on printed posters in dealers, not yet on the web - thanks Phil There is also this Chinese rumour site http://www.fengniao.com/news/47/477501.html which mentions several new cameras. If you run the page through Babelfish you can get a translation (of sorts :-) Some points?
No news of a 1DsMk2 ... Do bear in mind that this is from a translation that includes such gems as: "lets us wait for, the hummingbird net also will continue to track the report, will ask respectfully the attention." No doubt someone will summarise it a bit more accurately :-) 2006 September 10th Thanks to those of you who asked about the several site outages we had over the week - local problems we're afraid, not malevolence from Canon :-) If someone who speaks better German than me (not difficult) wants to check out this thread on www.dslr-forum.de there are some interesting comments regarding a 3D already being shown to the main dealers? - 11th - The original poster claims that 3D's are listed by wholesalers, but has supplied no evidence, and neither has anyone else... Thanks Erik 2006 August 30th From a DPR thread mentioning some new lenses there was also this snippet. Usual caveats apply -- as in most of this stuff! ;-)
There may not be an announcement of the '1Ds MkIII' at photokina. We were told that the current release plan for the 'Mk3' is end of November/ start of December. This will depend on KissX [XTi/400D] sales and may get postponed until next year. '1DsMk3' Development is completed and waits for production - which is not yet started. 2006 August 28th 3D as replacement for 1DMk2 [potn] 2006 August 12th Tis the season for conspiracies -- it seems that a thread was removed from the Fred Miranda forum (a good forum - far fewer trolls and "here is a picture of my cat taken with my new XXX" type posts than some others ;-) 6fps FF camera with 5D sensor (5D+ or the fabled 3D) 2006 August 1st Over at Camera West (http://www.camerawest.com/) they are taking advance requests to be put on a 22MP 1Ds waiting list. Doesn't say if it is a 1Ds Mk2 N or the 'Mk3' (Thanks Thomas, for the info)
See also PB for more. If nothing else, the body design looks a bit tidier than the supposed 3F pictures we were sent a while ago. The following 'specs' are also posted [FM]...
2006 June 26th E-mail I've received on the 'EOS3' pics overwhelmingly say 'FAKE' - I'm minded to agree ... ho hum, I did say take stuff on this page with a big pinch of salt :-) I'll leave the pics up for the record.
Some details for the successor to the 1DsMk2? (as with the 3F I'm now minded to be wary of this unless I hear from someone with some more credible info :-) "23.9 MP, 5FPS @ FF 9FPS @ .3 CROP. 28 RAW TO Buffer 72 JPEG 1498 grams (incl batt) 3” LCD at 368,000 pixels " -- Along with a suggestion that it will be announced on Monday 28th August. FYI the 1ds2 is 1565 gram and does 4fps with a buffersize of 11 raw and the 1D2n does 8.5fps and 20 raw. 2006 June 25th Since it arrived just as I was going out to the pub on a Saturday night, I didn't look carefully at the picture that came with the 'EOS 3F' picture below... A blast from the past indeed, I thought I hadn't heard anything about Foveon for quite some time. Could this actually be the elusive EOS 3D that people have been postulating for years?
A jpeg (2160x1697) of a CF card that shows somewhat more interesting EXIF data - (3.2 second exposure??)
As ever I'm just reporting something I've been sent - I've no independant verification of this, so caveat lector. 2006 June 24th Rumours coming a bit faster now on the board, with a 23MP 1Ds Mk11N being a popular vote (along with several new L lenses) Whether the higher dynamic range sensors we heard about in March make it into the next 1Ds, or arrive in something new and big announced in 2007 remains to be seen. An EOS 3D? The EOS 3F ? We were just sent the pic with the sample picture (see above) and no other info so you will just have to make your own minds up on its veracity. After several requests we've replaced the reduced size version with one at the size we were sent.
...and here is a PS montage -I- put together to compare its size with other cameras (yes it was Sunday morning and I was bored)
5D, '3F' and 1Ds Mk2 2006 February 15th - Mutterings about a 1Ds RS , using a pellicle mirror to save on having to flip it up, and managing 10fps at 18MP full frame. Also a 3D midway between 5D and 1D lines (haven't heard that one for a while... ;-) See the Fred Miranda forums for the standard collection of posts that follow any such posting :-) ... and there are a lot of them. 2005 December [old rumours were collected by month...]
For some nice pictures and diagrams, have a look at some of Canon's thoughts on the benefit of full frame sensors at http://web.Canon.jp/Imaging/cmos/index-e.html Given their stated long term aim of moving as many cameras as possible to FF sensors the convergence of 1D and 1Ds will be sooner than later... "Reading between the lines of the specs and press release, you may discover that the EOS 5D is the first model in a new strategy frm Canon, in the direction of full frame image sensor in many cameras to come. They have now solved many of the obstacles and production cost barriers, first and foremost related to the lowpass filter in front of the CMOS. 2005 July What about an EOS 3D? "The camera is supposed to be a full frame camera selling at $4000 CDN. Pixel count is unknown (my guess, 12 MP). Lighter and smaller than the 1D-series. Emphasis is on high ISO performance - both noise and colour. Release is supposed to be second / third week of September (just in time for Xmas)." This particular rumor has been doing the rounds for some time :-) -- (see the 1Ds MkII page) ...and became what we now know as the 5D 4th 3D between 1D and 20D? 2004 24th September More info comes out as the various parts of Canon worldwide catch up to the announcement. Interestingly enough the 'other camera' (EOS 3D) rumours persist, with this comment on the PDN forum: "The big news is there is a new camera (like the EOS 3) which will not have the build quality of the 1 series, better than the 10D, BUT it will be full frame, 11 mp, 9 focus points and sell for $3,000. This camera may not be announced until September or maybe later." 2004 4th September Some people still hoping for an EOS-3D which would sit in between the 1D Mk2 and the new 20D. The best money still looks to be on the 1Ds Mk2 at Photokina (info about event). EOS-3 specs"A sturdy and modern, full-featured SLR for professionals and advanced amateurs alike, the EOS-3 incorporates a host of technological advances that raise the bar for peformance in a high quality 35mm SLR. These features include a 45-point autofocus system, Canon's amazing Eye-Controlled AF, predictive AF up to 7 frames per second (with optional Power Drive Booster PB-E2 and NP-E2 battery pack), E-TTL auto flash, 18 custom functions, compatibility with Canon's full range of autofocus lenses and Speedlites, and much more. These capabilities are incorporated into a rugged body with easily accessible controls for quick and easy execution of camera operations. Almost instinctual, the EOS-3 will help to ensure that you never miss a shot again." Product Features
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